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A poor quality DG contribution which harks back to the era of Hawaiian shirts and city boys dropping their wedge on a neon fartbag, rear entries and 210 skis - only need him to take up an irrational campaign of persecution on some minor technical point, Gerry to drop in to bait him and someone to throw a Wayneo for SHs gold,
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@Dave of the Marmottes, Popcorn time?
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holidayloverxx wrote:
@Davina Goldballs, thought you were a journalist - where is your attention to detail? It's £125k (£0.125m) not £1.25m


Journo embellishment (aka bare faced lies) to make more of a story is common.

That said DG isn't a journo, apparently he's a ski instructor....
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@Dave of the Marmottes, Laughing
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@PaulC1984,
I think that may have been a reference to Scott moving the decimal point in the other direction.
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Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes
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Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


It would seem so. Following spyderjon's posting of the information on the creditor's list there's been no response from scottydog (and no apology to spyderjon for accusing him of lying either!)
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Alastair Pink wrote:
Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


It would seem so. Following spyderjon's posting of the information on the creditor's list there's been no response from scottydog (and no apology to spyderjon for accusing him of lying either!)


Its a shame, I held Edge and Wax in high regard and only ever received good service from them.
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Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


Possibly a touch unfair as he has never been a regular user of snowheads so may not have read the response yet. For example the post where Jon called them out for owing 125k was made late August but Scotty didn't respond until mid-October.
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SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


Possibly a touch unfair as he has never been a regular user of snowheads so may not have read the response yet. For example the post where Jon called them out for owing 125k was made late August but Scotty didn't respond until mid-October.


Besides, he may have had a point. He thought he had only not paid someone 12.5k rather than not paying them 125k. Of course if it really had only been 12.5k that he hadn't paid another business then that would have been ok then Puzzled Puzzled
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SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


Possibly a touch unfair as he has never been a regular user of snowheads so may not have read the response yet. For example the post where Jon called them out for owing 125k was made late August but Scotty didn't respond until mid-October.


There's an email notification isn't there?
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SnoodyMcFlude wrote:
Gaza wrote:
Looks like @scottydog has ran off with his tail between his legs. rolling eyes rolling eyes rolling eyes


Possibly a touch unfair as he has never been a regular user of snowheads so may not have read the response yet. For example the post where Jon called them out for owing 125k was made late August but Scotty didn't respond until mid-October.


I don't think it is unfair. He came on here and basically called @spyderjon a liar. As @RickClark has said he would have received an email notification telling him there had been further posts. He has chosen to either ignore that, or has seen the post but doesn't have an adequate retort.
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emwmarine wrote:
Besides, he may have had a point. He thought he had only not paid someone 12.5k rather than not paying them 125k. Of course if it really had only been 12.5k that he hadn't paid another business then that would have been ok then Puzzled Puzzled


I didn't say it was okay, just that he shouldn't really be called out for not answering posts as it's not uncommon for his posts to be spread out. The fact that his company went out of business owing a lot of money is a separate issue.

Gaza wrote:
As @RickClark has said he would have received an email notification telling him there had been further posts. He has chosen to either ignore that, or has seen the post but doesn't have an adequate retort.


Not necessarily, I don't get notifications of new posts.
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@SnoodyMcFlude, that's odd, I just got a notification about this thread after you posted.

I believe that you automatically watch a thread if you post to it, but don't get subsequent notifications until you revisit it.

Scott would have received at least one notification. Not only that, but if you call someone out publicly, there's a high probability that there will be a response. I just don't believe that he hasn't seen the response by Jon.
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@RichClark, You can turn notifications off and you only get notifications of new posts since you were last logged in and view the page if you get me..
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RichClark wrote:
Not only that, but if you call someone out publicly, there's a high probability that there will be a response. I just don't believe that he hasn't seen the response by Jon.


I agree 100%.
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RichClark wrote:
@SnoodyMcFlude, that's odd, I just got a notification about this thread after you posted.

I believe that you automatically watch a thread if you post to it, but don't get subsequent notifications until you revisit it.

Scott would have received at least one notification. Not only that, but if you call someone out publicly, there's a high probability that there will be a response. I just don't believe that he hasn't seen the response by Jon.


Nope, you can turn off all notifications, which is what I've done and possibly what ScottyDog has done. You're right that you 'subscribe' to a thread as soon as you post, just that the way I keep track of that is logging in and then clicking the 'Your Posts' thing at the top of the page on the forum index Smile

Edit: As for being called out and not logging back in, he took best part of 2 months to respond to a claim which he said was false (that they owed 125k) so I don't think it's that bad to give him the benefit of doubt, especially when he's probably got other poo-poo going on.
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@PaulC1984, @SnoodyMcFlude, ok, thanks for the Forum schooling Very Happy
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PaulC1984 wrote:
holidayloverxx wrote:
@Davina Goldballs, thought you were a journalist - where is your attention to detail? It's £125k (£0.125m) not £1.25m


Journo embellishment (aka bare faced lies) to make more of a story is common.

That said DG isn't a journo, apparently he's a ski instructor....


- and a shop assistant.
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Gaza wrote:
RichClark wrote:
Not only that, but if you call someone out publicly, there's a high probability that there will be a response. I just don't believe that he hasn't seen the response by Jon.


I agree 100%.


No I had not! Sorry I have been busy trying to help my ex staff secure work, then secure work myself, as when a business fails, all the debt does not simply wash away, along with the stress and health issues that come with it.

I can confirm that the information is wrong regards DPS. If Edge & Wax bought that many skis from DPS, we would account for most of Europe's sales. I cannot comment on the error on the administrators information, as when the business went into administration I was no longer involved, or allowed to be. At that point, I did all I could to ensure that the administrators knew what belonged to customers, to get it back to them. Anyone who has been in administration will know it is hard to do much as you are effectively locked out of the business, but my ex staff and myself did everything we could legally to get things back to people. I have to say the administrators seemed to do their best, and my ex staff and I - at that time unemployed - worked flat out to provide what information we could to confirm any claims to product, orders or servicing. Then we looked for jobs. For those who did have issues, I can only apologise, I wanted to help more but it simply doesnt work like that once administrators are in.

Spyderjon, we supported you, we promoted the Quiver killer brand very heavily for several years, and we believed in what you were doing with your business and Quiverkiller. We also made VERY sure (and I cannot go into detail without getting into more trouble) that your stock was safely stowed so that it would eventually get back to you, and written advice was given to the administrators on why we felt this despite issues with proof of entitlement. I am glad you got your stock back, and that is what matters, you can say what you wish. Sorry if the numbers were a little out, but as above, we could not go near the business and help, just direct where things were, and explain what things were to non-skiers. And despite some of what I have read genuinely upsetting me, I wish you well Spyderjon, as I know how hard you work at your business, and it shows in how many customer write so positively with there experiences with you.

I wish to thank those who supported what we were doing, customers and suppliers, and of course my team of awesome staff, and apologise to anyone effected by our demise. We honestly tried to do things right, and thought we would still be around, but things escalated quickly, and I now have many years of repaying debts due to the business as I didn't take the easy option, but the one thing people cannot take away from my team or myself, is the many friends we made running the shop, and that we were able to make a positive difference to many peoples holidays on the mountain.

I am signing off now, have a great time on the slopes, and I hope one day to be able to venture onto them again myself.

ScottyDog
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scottydog wrote:
Anyone who has been in administration will know it is hard to do much as you are effectively locked out of the business, but my ex staff and myself did everything we could legally to get things back to people.


Definitely how it works having seen them in action luckily from the point of view of a supplier/customer and not the administratee itself, then having to deal with the administrators with the old owners being locked out.
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@scottydog, wishing you and your staff well. It's a real shame when a dedicated business goes under and I had nothing but positive dealings with Edge & Wax and yourself in the past. Good luck in the future.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@scottydog, wishing you and your staff well. It's a real shame when a dedicated business goes under and I had nothing but positive dealings with Edge & Wax and yourself in the past. Good luck in the future.


ditto ! And a better holiday season and 2017 to all.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@scottydog, wishing you and your staff well. It's a real shame when a dedicated business goes under and I had nothing but positive dealings with Edge & Wax and yourself in the past. Good luck in the future.


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I wish you well, on the proviso that you look after your staff, and pay valued suppliers which I trust you will.

IME "valued suppliers" are just creditors and they get hurt along with everyone else. The main loser is usually HMRC (VAT and PAYE) and that means all of us so personally I'd rather suppliers got equal treatment. There are no buyers for this kind of business as such - anyone interested in the goodwill of the company will only be interested in starting off clean with a new unencumbered Ltd company so there are bound to be unhappy suppliers at the end. Just the way it goes.

HMRC are always a preferential creditor in an insovency, along with employees. Suppliers / creditors get paid after that, whatever pence in the pound is left.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that and the owner can restructure and carry on.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@scottydog, wishing you and your staff well. It's a real shame when a dedicated business goes under and I had nothing but positive dealings with Edge & Wax and yourself in the past. Good luck in the future.


Agreed. My experience with E&W had always been excellent. Hope you all have a good future doing what you can do and hope you get some slope time.
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Markymark29 wrote:
@scottydog, wishing you and your staff well. It's a real shame when a dedicated business goes under and I had nothing but positive dealings with Edge & Wax and yourself in the past. Good luck in the future.



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