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Bindings and ACLs

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Has anybody had any issues with Marker Kingpin bindings not releasing? Mine didn't, result - a ruptured ACL in both knees and extensive damage to other ligaments.
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@Alfiemalfie, that's really tough for you - do I take it you've done both knees, and that both did not release at the same time?

What were the snow conditions like at the time (eg spring sludge) and what sort of incident was it, slow speed or major wipeout?

After I did mine, and I know others do, is that we naturally look to blame the binding for not releasing.

Have they released for you before ?

Though could well be that your boots were not setup correctly for the binding ?
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Hi, yep, neither binding release. Skiing on a glacier in crusty snow, reasonably high speed prang so would have expected them to release as they have before; and the boots and binding were set up by a ski shop
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My understanding is that the vast majority of ACL injuries are caused by it not being able to twist at the heal. Traditional design of bindings are designed to prevent your leg being broken, not to protect your ligaments.

I have changed my bindings to KneeSafe bindings to attempt to protect what is left of my knees (one of which has half the reconstructed ACL left inside with a third of the cartilage).
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@Alfiemalfie, just because they were set up by a shop doesn’t mean they were set correctly.
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I've been thinking of those Kneesafe bindings as this is my second ACL injury. What do you reckon to them?
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True, but you'd like to think they've done the job properly. And I'd been using them for two seasons with no previous issues
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Alfiemalfie wrote:
I've been thinking of those Kneesafe bindings as this is my second ACL injury. What do you reckon to them?
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I have got on fine with them and managed a test of the heal twist release once. I got them from SpyderJon when I was doing he ski servicing course. It helps with my confidence given the state my knees are now in which in itself is helpful.
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Thanks - looks like new bindings for me next season then!
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Definitely check out the new Salomon Shift bindings.

http://shift-bindings.salomon.com/en

I feel this is the future ... and has to be the safest touring binding around ...

BTW I have no association with Salomon.
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Trab TR2 is supposed to be safer than any alpine binding for protecting against soft tissue/ligamen t/acl/pcl etc and that comes from the original designer of the kneebinding.
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@Alfiemalfie, you might have just been unlucky. I popped an ACL in an alpine binding so I don’t think there’s a magic solution
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@Alfiemalfie, I'm not a binding expert, but I had a bad fall on piste bindings and skis, and one binding released eventually and one didn't. Still apparently took out both ACLs and both MCLs.
Fallen and cartwheeled loads of times and had neither binding release; fallen spectacularly loads of times and one released; fallen only a few times when both have released. Only once had any injury at all, as above.
Bindings, even when set to the right settings, don't always magically release; ACL injuries happen to people just walking or doing other non-ski things.
I don't think that there's necessarily any direct relation between injury and binding. Not a medical or ski expert, so in your case, I could be wrong. But not necessarily an excuse to bin some good bindings. Get them checked over by a good technician.
Good luck with the recovery.
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@Alfiemalfie,
Sorry to hear of your injury.

I'm afraid there isn't a binding on the market that has been proven to prevent ACL rupture.
The one variable that seems to be consistently overlooked is what DIN were they set on.

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that many are totally unaware of what their own DIN setting should be.
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@Alfiemalfie,
Sorry to hear of your injury.

I'm afraid there isn't a binding on the market that has been proven to prevent ACL rupture.
The one variable that seems to be consistently overlooked is what DIN were they set on.

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that many are totally unaware of what their own DIN setting should be.


that and even the concept of correct forward pressure in a binding
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@Alfiemalfie, have you changed your boots since the initial setup of the bindings?
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Your best bet is to get your bindings tested *right now* at a professional ski hire place where they will check the measured DIN rating against what the adjustment dial says. Even if there is a mismatch, I believe the ski manufacturers have more get-out clauses than you can shake a ski pole at.
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