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I'm currently away with the wife and twins in a 3.5 star sc hotel in Mallorca, and it's lovely, the whole thing cost £1650 for a week.
So, not counting lift pass or equipment hire, why are skiing packages (Crystal etc) so expensive? Is this cynically meeting perceived expectations?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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marodo2712 wrote: |
I'm currently away with the wife and twins in a 3.5 star sc hotel in Mallorca, and it's lovely, the whole thing cost £1650 for a week.
So, not counting lift pass or equipment hire, why are skiing packages (Crystal etc) so expensive? Is this cynically meeting perceived expectations? |
Because people will pay that price. Plenty of competition in the ski holiday market, from budget, to mass-market, to high-end; package and DIY. If a company is getting its price v. expectations wrong they'll not last long in the competitive market.
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It's a demand thing. Where would you rather be malloca or a ski resort? It's not about what it cost to supply the service it's about what people will pay
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My inner socialist is boiling mad right now!
Is this another cynical move - to keep the hoi polloi off the slopes? If it is, then it's failed, as, not only am i a member of the hoi, but i sleep by the bins of the polloi!
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Ski season is three months, beach season is nine months ?, your skiing holiday is paying towards the off season.
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I suspect winter holidays are genuinely more expensive to provide - more heating and lighting costs, snow clearance, longer transfer driver hours, things going wrong more often requiring contingency budget, indirectly contributing towards towards the cost of keeping a ski resort open in winter (e.g. village avalanche protection and management). Fixed cost of recruiting and sending staff out spread over a much shorter season. Plus all that stuff about much less competition and the price people are prepared to pay. Out of interest how much roughly do Crystal charge for an equivalent winter holiday in a 3.5 star sc hotel mid-season?
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marodo2712 wrote: |
I'm currently away with the wife and twins in a 3.5 star sc hotel in Mallorca, and it's lovely, the whole thing cost £1650 for a week.
So, not counting lift pass or equipment hire, why are skiing packages (Crystal etc) so expensive? Is this cynically meeting perceived expectations? |
Are we comparing like with like here? So many factors it seems almost an impossible comparison to make.
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I've just looked at Crystal's website. A week in Italy, half board, 3 star hotel, including flights and transfers, mid season, starts at 549 per head. Not that different really and you could probably book late and get it even cheaper.
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none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc.
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queenie pretty please wrote: |
I've just looked at Crystal's website. A week in Italy, half board, 3 star hotel, including flights and transfers, mid season, starts at 549 per head. Not that different really and you could probably book late and get it even cheaper. |
your not going to go mid season with kids. You can only go during school holidays.
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Economics. The market dictates the price, they will charge what they can get away with. It isn't a rip-off as nobody is forcing anyone to pay these prices - the consumer has the choice to pay or walk away. Simple really.
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Mr.Egg wrote: |
none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc. |
That'll be those pesky Frenchies taking the pith again.
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If not happy then you could always book direct and cut out the middleman. They are not doing it for love after all.
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You know it makes sense.
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Mr.Egg wrote: |
queenie pretty please wrote: |
I've just looked at Crystal's website. A week in Italy, half board, 3 star hotel, including flights and transfers, mid season, starts at 549 per head. Not that different really and you could probably book late and get it even cheaper. |
your not going to go mid season with kids. You can only go during school holidays. |
@Mr.Egg, I'd consider the school Easter holidays to be mid-season (even tending towards low), taking mid to be mid-price rather than middle-of. So NY, half term etc are high season, last 3 weeks Jan are low season etc.
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Mr.Egg wrote: |
none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc. |
I've never seen anything close to €40 for a pizza, not matter what country I ski in. Where do you eat that charges that much for a pizza?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Cannot recall seeing those prices even in Oberlech.
Are you staying in something like the Zürserhof?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mallorca = downmarket.
Ski resort (most) = upmarket.
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Mr.Egg wrote: |
queenie pretty please wrote: |
I've just looked at Crystal's website. A week in Italy, half board, 3 star hotel, including flights and transfers, mid season, starts at 549 per head. Not that different really and you could probably book late and get it even cheaper. |
your not going to go mid season with kids. You can only go during school holidays. |
I have kids and go Christmas (or the one before) and when they break in the Spring. Neither particularly expensive. New Year week and the Feb Half Term seem to be the most expensive.
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@Whitegold,
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Mallorca = downmarket.
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Cheeky bug*er!
Magaluf etc maybe downmarket, but Cala D'Or is really nice (everything shuts at midnight!).
It appears, as i suspected, that it's an exclusivity thing - would anyone be bothered if they made it cheap enough for the huddled masses to go skiing?
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marodo2712 wrote: |
I'm currently away with the wife and twins in a 3.5 star sc hotel in Mallorca, and it's lovely, the whole thing cost £1650 for a week.
So, not counting lift pass or equipment hire, why are skiing packages (Crystal etc) so expensive? Is this cynically meeting perceived expectations? |
Supply and demand
Spanish costas - cheap land, cheap building costs, many many hotels etc all competing to have their slice of tourist Euros
Alps - geographically constrained, land often in the hands of a few owners (farmers) who are also hotelliers etc. Limited building season, limited peak season to make real returns.
If you could easily build towns the size of Spanish beach resorts in the Alps then you might have a bit more parity but you can't.
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marodo2712 wrote: |
would anyone be bothered if they made it cheap enough for the huddled masses to go skiing? |
It isn't. Or at least the basics aren't...
You can fly or drive to the alps for similar (pro rata) the costs of anywhere.
You can get cheap self catering accommodation through to 5* luxury the same as anywhere else.
You can eat for not much more than you would in any holiday destination,
The added costs then come from:
Lift passes
Clothing
Equipment buying or renting
Extra insurance for the activity you are doing
Tuition in the early stages especially to be able to do the activity
You'd really need to compare it to something like a diving, surfing or sailing holiday in summer to get a reasonable comparison.
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rob@rar wrote: |
Mr.Egg wrote: |
none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc. |
I've never seen anything close to €40 for a pizza, not matter what country I ski in. Where do you eat that charges that much for a pizza? |
Le Tremplin, next to the Croisette in Courchevel 1850.
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queenie pretty please wrote: |
I've just looked at Crystal's website. A week in Italy, half board, 3 star hotel, including flights and transfers, mid season, starts at 549 per head. Not that different really and you could probably book late and get it even cheaper. |
...and that's 1/2 board whereas the Mallorcan comparison is self catering. Given all the economic reasons raised by others, maybe the question should be why are ski trips so cheap?
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marodo2712 wrote: |
I'm currently away with the wife and twins in a 3.5 star sc hotel in Mallorca, and it's lovely, the whole thing cost £1650 for a week.
So, not counting lift pass or equipment hire, why are skiing packages (Crystal etc) so expensive? Is this cynically meeting perceived expectations? |
Does the £1650 include food and drink for the entire week or just the flights/transfers/accomodation??
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marodo2712 wrote: |
@Whitegold,
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Mallorca = downmarket.
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Cheeky bug*er!
Magaluf etc maybe downmarket, but Cala D'Or is really nice (everything shuts at midnight!).
It appears, as i suspected, that it's an exclusivity thing - would anyone be bothered if they made it cheap enough for the huddled masses to go skiing? |
You're going to the wrong places.
I've stayed in some beautiful 3* pensions in Italy on a B&B basis for less than the cost of your pizza.
For every overpriced, 'exclusive' resort there at least half a dozen cheaper alternatives nearby.
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@jimmybog, flights, transfer, accom.
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marodo2712 wrote: |
@jimmybog, flights, transfer, accom. |
And how much do you pay Crystal for skiing?
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rob@rar wrote: |
Mr.Egg wrote: |
none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc. |
I've never seen anything close to €40 for a pizza, not matter what country I ski in. Where do you eat that charges that much for a pizza? |
Totally agree rob. I do wonder what mr egg’s brain is like.
Post shite statement then give a reason to help one’s own mental state the spend 5 pages arguing about pizza prices.
I have never encountered these prices a except in some of the top restaurants in Paris (when I spent a lot of my life there ..
Does mr egg actually ski or ever been on a Bash. Or is he the new Charlie big potatoes. Those inthe know will know what I mean.
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You know it makes sense.
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GlasgowCyclops wrote: |
I do wonder what mr egg’s brain is like. |
Scrambled.
Check out the Brexit thread for proof.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Many reasons I suspect, mostly it comes down to the old supply/demand thing, if people are willing to pay £2k each for a week of skiing then why charge £750? It's also significantly easier to build and supply a hotel in Mallorca than up a mountain and there are surely significantly fewer places to stay for skiing than beach holidays?
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Poster: A snowHead
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GlasgowCyclops wrote: |
rob@rar wrote: |
Mr.Egg wrote: |
none of those reasons justify charging 15 euro for a beer, 40 euro for a pizza,etc. |
I've never seen anything close to €40 for a pizza, not matter what country I ski in. Where do you eat that charges that much for a pizza? |
Totally agree rob. I do wonder what mr egg’s brain is like.
Post shite statement then give a reason to help one’s own mental state the spend 5 pages arguing about pizza prices.
I have never encountered these prices a except in some of the top restaurants in Paris (when I spent a lot of my life there ..
Does mr egg actually ski or ever been on a Bash. Or is he the new Charlie big potatoes. Those inthe know will know what I mean. |
Last time I was in CH it was 20 euros for a pizza suitable for one hungry person, two nibbling.
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marodo2712 wrote: |
would anyone be bothered if they made it cheap enough for the huddled masses to go skiing? |
No.
No one would be bothered. Skiing is not a social welfare.
"Anyone" will only "make it cheap enough" to make a profit.
If the huddled masses can afford that price, they go skiing. If not, only the hoity-toity will go.
If YOU can make it cheaper and STILL make a profit, YOU should make it happen to benefit the huddled masses. If not, shut up and pay the price.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@abc,
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If YOU can make it cheaper and STILL make a profit, YOU should make it happen to benefit the huddled masses. If not, shut up and pay the price.
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Now hold on old chap, I'm not actually suggesting that we should encourage the poor (probably brexit voting, ignorant, xenophobic cousins of ours) to go skiing. OBVIOUSLY skiing should be placed at a price point only open to 'those who can'.
Now come on everyone, let's all get behind Corbyn!
Should i put the popcorn on? (Or should that be 'maise souffle'?)
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Maybe should compare majorca to bulgaria
You could go there for the same money with lift passes.
Balkan do free child places, free lift pass & 4* half board
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marodo2712 wrote: |
@abc,
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If YOU can make it cheaper and STILL make a profit, YOU should make it happen to benefit the huddled masses. If not, shut up and pay the price.
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Now hold on old chap, I'm not actually suggesting that we should encourage the poor (probably brexit voting, ignorant, xenophobic cousins of ours) to go skiing. OBVIOUSLY skiing should be placed at a price point only open to 'those who can'.
Now come on everyone, let's all get behind Corbyn!
Should i put the popcorn on? (Or should that be 'maise souffle'?) |
Not just skiing. Holiday isn't a social welfare.
Mallorca is also only for 'those who can'! Only you classified '£1650 for a week' as the "huddled masses" doesn't automatically make it so.
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@Mr.Egg, so, if we're making direct comparison between Majorca and Bulgaria, where on earth do you lot go for your summer hols?
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marodo2712 wrote: |
@Mr.Egg, so, if we're making direct comparison between Majorca and Bulgaria, where on earth do you lot go for your summer hols? |
This year i went to california (san fran & travelled around a bit).
Maybe compare to what you spend on ski holiday compared to what summer holiday you could have for the same price.
My other half isnt fussed on a snow holiday & im not fussed on a beach holiday, so we tend to comprimise.
No summer holiday next year as she wants a new kitchen!
Trade off is miccu piccu the following year.
But we dont have the expense that children bring
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Mr.Egg wrote: |
No summer holiday next year as she wants a new kitchen!
Trade off is miccu piccu the following year.
But we dont have the expense that children bring |
Where is Miccu Piccu? Google hasn't heard of it. You really must try to engage with reality when you post.
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@abc,
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Mallorca is also only for 'those who can'! Only you classified '£1650 for a week' as the "huddled masses" doesn't automatically make it so.
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£400 a head.
I think that there is a movement against mr egg, lord of the flies territory, not worthy of us.
Be nice. (6 Aperol Spritz).
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Should i put the popcorn on?
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As you were the one who started the thread, this makes you a troll.
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