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Interesting Article re Guides and Airbags

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https://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/should-ski-guides-be-required-to-wear-avalanche-airbags/Content?oid=9358139&media=AMP%20HTML&__twitter_impression=true
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interesting indeed, thanks for posting!
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Mmmm, not many hut to hut tour guides carry airbags, indeed they seem to advise against it on weight grounds. Maybe all have to go to the gym more.
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Bob's a little pessimistic on the weight thing though - the marginal weight of the lightest airbag is about a kilo.

The knee business is not a gym thing so much as a wear and tear issue. I suppose eventually they'll all be forced to use the things irrespective, like some other safety gear I shall not mention. I think the heli guys probably could carry less generally, if they were to accept a bit more reliance on the machine.
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I don't have a personal opinion but chums in Cham tend to use them as risk = exposure*probability and as their exposure is so high (in terms of time spent off piste) mitigating the ultimate risk no matter how well you reduce the probability seems important.

Humans are crap at estimating risk however.
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I think the heli business is a little different, not that I'm arguing the case either way.

I've previously read the 2012 Worksafe BC report which is well worth a look although they should have much more data by now.
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I should have been clearer I meant Guide chums in CHX and VdI. They also don’t have the shared group intel that BC has.
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If I was guiding in alpine environments in BC I'd sure as hell be wearing an airbag. Cat skiing in tree terrain maybe not.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, would you mandate them for your clients?
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Yep probably - I would hope and intend they never got to pull but if it's one thing that would mitigate a client death or a lawsuit can't see a downside. Trees change the equation though.
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From memory the 2012 report talks specifically about where the tree line is in attempting to explain differences in outcomes between the Alps and BC.

In standard conditions almost all of Bob's terrain has trees or other significant obstacles in it. His guests would not have it any other way.

My guess would be that Worksafe BC will mandate airbags at some point in the future, mostly for legal reasons.
The same thing happened with helmets a few years ago. They have had zero effect on the death rate, but lawyers like them.
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pity they can't work out percentage increases though
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IME most guides wear airbags for lift served (or heliserved) off piste.

I would too.

One of the points that I took away from "Staying alive in avalanche terrain" is in 90%+ of cases the skier who goes first gets caught by an avalanche. Guides go first all the time. Plus their clients often have poor avalanche rescue skills.

It's a no brainer I think.
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