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Saalbach - Hinterglemm - Leogang - Fieberbrunn 2018/19 Official Unofficial Thread

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Kicking off this year's thread with two updates on new lifts.

We've just had the long-awaited news that work has started on the new link to Zell am See - i.e a gondola from Viehhofen up to the existing mid-station of the Zell am See Express. This will enable skiers to pass both ways between Zell's Schmittenhoehe and the Saalbach ski area, making the Ski Circus again (by far) the biggest interlinked ski area in Austria, (Sorry Arlberg!) It is anticipated that the new link will be operational from the 2019/20 season. Coming from the Zell direction, skiers will still have to catch the ski bus, which runs at 20 minute intervals, up to the Schoenleitenbahn, although in another few years or so it is planned to instal a new lift from Viehhofen up to the Schoenleiten area of Saalbach.

Work has been progressing apace on the new Kohlmaisgipfelbahn 10-seater gondola. The bottom station, which is opposite our apartment building, is ginormous! Today the lift company posted a photo on FB of one of the new cabins, all wrapped in plastic but in situ.

Incidentally it's been a great summer here in Saalbach, and the Hecherhuette weekly "all you can eat, including fillet steak for 17.5 euros" go from strength to strength!
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133 days and we'll be there...
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Hate to say this but any willy waving on S-H tourist office's part will have to wait until until the buses are phased out, by which time things may well have moved on in the Arlberg.
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Well done TT for kickstarting the thread for this season.

125 days, 5 hours, 22 mins and 37 seconds until I get there
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Me and the family are heading there in January. First time in Europe for my kids.

Not looking forward to a 17 hour flight from Auckland to Doha on the way though.
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Me and the family are heading there in January. First time in Europe for my kids.

Not looking forward to a 17 hour flight from Auckland to Doha on the way though.
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Me and the family are heading there in January. First time in Europe for my kids.

Not looking forward to a 17 hour flight from Auckland to Doha on the way though.
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Hope you enjoy all three visits!
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... by which time things may well have moved on in the Arlberg.


How could they expand any more?
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Am I the only one who thinks the link to Zell is a bad thing? I can't see myself skiing over that way so for me the only impact will be more skiers in the Leogang area.
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Just booked flights and an apartment for my brother and me 12th -19th January. We went to saalbach a couple of seasons ago and had a great time.

We are planning on using the www.holiday-shuttle.at scheduled shuttle (thank you mr tatman) but if any one is on the 8.15am flight from Bhx to Salzburg on the 12th and wants to share a private transfer, please get in touch
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@PeteMan, I wasn't entirely convinced by the link to Fieberbrunn, but I've come to realise that there is no downside to more runs and more lifts - the accommodation and car park capacity of the valley remains the same, so the number of people on the hill will grow only marginally. For everyone venturing over from Zell, there will be a balancing person going in the opposite direction. From either side, there is nothing compelling to draw people to stay in one place but predominantly ski in the other, so this will only ever be a day trip out to somewhere different. In that respect, it adds to the choice and the draw of both areas and I don't really see a downside to it.

When the Kaprun lift developments are completed to link the glacier to the Maiskogel area, I suspect they will look again at the abandoned plan to link Kaprun directly to Zell with a P2P gondola, at which point it all becomes an even bigger lift-linked area.

Fieberbrunn was part of the Kitzbuhel Allstar pass arrangement for several years before it joined S-H, and that was based on the possibility of linking from the Kitzbuheler Horn to Fieberbrunn eventually. There's also some scope for a further development in the Glemmtal if they wanted to expand further, on the western end around Lengau, and if that ever happened then it wouldn't take a genius to realise that a couple of lifts would join up to Jochberg in the Kitzbuheler Alps. However, all of this is limited by the economics, and by the Austrian planning restrictions, so if it happens at all it will be 10+ years away.
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@ousekjarr, The only slight concern is that Zell am See has a direct rail link to Munich and Salzburg (and possibly other major cities), which might draw some crowds to the Ski Circus.
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Hate to say this but any willy waving on S-H tourist office's part will have to wait until until the buses are phased out, by which time things may well have moved on in the Arlberg.

@munich_irish, Surely worth at least half a willy though (and the ski bus service will never be phased out, thank goodness - and incidentally that 20 minute ski bus journey from Hochalm to the Schoenleitenbahn has saved us from missing happy hour at the Bergeralm many a time).
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@PeteMan, "Project Dias", which is to link the Rendl area at St Anton with Kappl in the Paznauntal. There is currently a court case in Vienna considering an appeal from some land owners and there is some doubt that the two ski areas really want to implement the plan in any case. However if the land owners loose the case then it is quite possible the lifts will be built and there will be a significant increase in the size of the Arlberg ski area. Whether it makes any sense is another question altogether, it would be little or no use to anyone staying in Zürs or Lech, the most benefit would be for Kappl which would go from a minor ski resort to part of the St Anton set up.

Plans are already approved and initial building work in progress for a lift to Schröcken, though there is already a piste, there is no way back up except a few buses.
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What's the likelihood of the Spielberghaus sled run being in action in mid December??
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@NickYoung, I’ll enquire if I go up there before we leave (in the next few days). Unless they have a specific opening date it may depend on conditions. You could give them a ring and ask. As you know everyone speaks good English.
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ABOUT THE PROJECTED NEW LIFT FROM VIEHHOFEN TO THE SCHOENLEITEN AREA ON THE SAALBACH SIDE (Translated from the original German language article in the Salzburger News):
"The missing lift from Viehhofen to Schönleiten mountain station is to be planned and built by the Saalbach-Hinterglemm Lift Company. The project is delayed, however, because there are problems finding a suitable location for a reservoir. Several have been rejected for ecological reasons. At the last possible location there are doubts as to whether it is geologically suitable. To investigate the subsurface, several 100-meter-deep holes were drilled. Probes in the holes measure until 2020 if there are any movements. The lift should therefore be opened at the earliest in 2022. If the location is not suitable, the project is in doubt and thus the merger. "Without snowmaking it does not work on a southern slope," says Jakob Eder, Managing Director of the lift company. That would not be accepted by the guests. "We have to find a solution." Anyway, Saalbach is, like Zell am See, behind the merger."

Clearly, they don't want to put a new lift in unless they can improve the snow reliability on piste 68. Skiers returning to Zell after a day's skiing in Saalbach, or those staying in Saalbach/Leogang wanting to go over to Zell, could of course take the projected new lift down if piste 68 is closed; however that is apparently not considered an acceptable compromise.
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Couldn’t wait the 120 ish days until my next trip....so decided to pop over for a few days and explore the area in autumn.

So far it has been fantastic weather, it is fascinating to hike around the winter pistes with the cows.

It has been so enjoyable we are seriously considering takin our summer holiday here next year.
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@ribblevalleyred, Many people we meet prefer it here in summer. Peaceful, beautiful and warm - also plenty to do.
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@ribblevalleyred, we’ve had two summer holidays in the area, in consecutive years. Only a new family dog stopped us making 3 in a row it this year. Highly recommend it. Time it with one of the town events like Hinterglemm’s Bauernmarkt or the Glemmride mountain bike festival (races and freestyle events to watch even if you don’t ride).
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@NickYoung, I’ll enquire if I go up there before we leave (in the next few days). Unless they have a specific opening date it may depend on conditions. You could give them a ring and ask. As you know everyone speaks good English.


Sorry, wasn't clear...their answer is "yes, dependent on conditions, of course".

What I was looking for was the inside opinion on "are we likely to have the conditions, in order to open"? How do you rate the snowline in mid-December?
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The highlight of many a week this summer has been the Thursday evening barbecue at the Hecherhuette. All you can eat, including as much fillet steak as you can handle, for 17.5 euros. All the staff are from the Czech Republic, except for Lucky Luke, the Welsh waiter from Barry Island, and they are all just great! Drive up there in the afternoon and work up an appetite in their lovely outdoor swimming pool (which you may well have all to yourself). After the banquet, be prepared to hear all your favourite apres-ski songs and to be roped into dancing on the tables, etc.

@ribblevalleyred, You're in luck!

Just posted on FB:
One more barbecue at the Hecherhütte!!

This week on 20.9. 2018 we say goodbye to a super (Grill) season! We'll barbecue for you again. No matter what weather! (but it will probably be nice). The pool also has 25°!!! Call for reservation!! 0664 356 17 46

From 24.9. The Hecherhuette Viehhofen is closed!!

We thank everyone who visited us and are looking forward to you from 7.12.2018 for the next winter season!!
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What I was looking for was the inside opinion on "are we likely to have the conditions, in order to open"? How do you rate the snowline in mid-December?

@NickYoung, Impossible to predict. All I can say is that I've been arriving in Saalbach before Christmas for the last 12 consecutive years - last year 13th Dec and the year before 10th Dec. More often than not (and with a couple of exceptions, when the snow arrived late), the mid-December piste conditions have been pretty good, but I've never sussed out the toboggan run, which, as you will know, is basically a dirt road or track that leads from Hinterhagweg up to the Spielberghaus. If the snow arrives on time in November, like last year, it may well be open - but who knows? If I were a betting man, I'd say it's 50/50, but, if you were asking about decent skiing conditions (and bearing in mind that, even when the snow comes late, the Saalbach lift company has proved itself capable of covering most of the pistes using snow cannons), it would be better odds than that - more like 75/25, or even 80/20.
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