 Poster: A snowHead
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| DJL wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| DJL wrote: |
| All depends how far back you get your butt. I managed it second try. |
Moving your butt back far enough to offset the CoG difference, when you failed doing it correctly the first time, is cheating.....It's a bit like reducing the distance to the wall to succeed at the Chair Lift test. Your thighs should be reasonably close to perpendicular to the floor.
BTW. Thank you for trying. |
There was no instruction about thighs being perpendicular. |
You make like a table on knees and elbows. Hunkering back until you can achieve the result is simply "Not Cricket"!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| DJL wrote: |
| All depends how far back you get your butt. I managed it second try. |
It's almost like the human body has immense redundancy in performing movements and centre of mass is quite easily moved 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I think I have taken over this thread for long enough - so having made my arguments, I am backing out and hoping that the OP hasn't been put off and can pick the bones out of the debate.
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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I can do the chair lift with wooden table, whatever - but very sensitive to foot size/starting position, even an inch backwards and I'm struggling.
Second video is a farce - the male and female are in nothing like the same position, female has legs splayed which makes a big difference to stability/CoG - if I do it in the narrower 'natural' position for a bloke, I'll be flat on my face too, but if I conciously adopt the 'female' position, no problem.
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| DJL wrote: |
| phil_w wrote: |
| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| .. That video may seem trivial - but it nicely highlights the difference. It doesn't matter whether the people doing it are skinny or not. The result is the same. |
No, I meant that I can trivially do the thing you say males can't. |
I can do it too. Not easy and on moving head back from wall I have to bend further forward before standing. Easy if you let chair part from chest. For clarification I’m male and not super skinny. |
I have found both the whole discussion and the results of the Chair Lift interesting. I have been aware of the Chairlift "trick" for over 50 years....and seen it tried many times, by many people. I have never seen a Male succeed, or a Female fail....so I wonder if there are any other factors influencing the results.
When I try, if in bare feet, I am 21" from the door and can stand up without holding any weight. If I lift a solid Oak side table, I can't stand up. If I am wearing shoes, I am 23" from the door and can't stand up, even without the table.....so I suppose some consistency and removal of variables need to be applied.
So, to take the variables of foot length and chair weight out of the equation, try this (carefully).
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-5--jXXDL-0?feature=share
For the blokes that succeeded at the Chair lift - please try this and report back. |
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| DidierCouch wrote: |
| ... Second video is a farce - the male and female are in nothing like the same position, female has legs splayed which makes a big difference to stability/CoG - if I do it in the narrower 'natural' position for a bloke, I'll be flat on my face too, but if I conciously adopt the 'female' position, no problem. |
Trivial to do, again. Some stomach muscles required, and obviously easily cheated as noted. The bloke in the video probably has a massive gut and he wasn't expecting it to work for him (he'd practiced). YouTube viewers are terribly gullible; it's not the BBC!
I suspect that the difference between overweight people and fit people is much larger than any difference between sexes.
The marketing guys would probably find that a tougher sell.
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@DrSJF16, If you do decide to buy some skis, let us know what you end up getting and any others you tested and rejected.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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For what it's worth just bought Atomic Q9 cloud for my wife. She has like me skied many years to a decent standard down any pisted slope you like, but she is not very aggressive (except when I'm out of line!). Good reviews all round. we ski two weeks a year ish. although not tried, they will I'm sure be fine.
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| CEM wrote: |
@DrSJF16, best thing you can do is try some of your shortlist if possible, everyone likes different things when it comes to skis, each brand has its own characteristics, sometimes it is simply the binding has a different delta between two brands which can make a ski feel good great or indeed terrible, in the coming months the shops at the snow centers normally have a demo pool with a few options that you can try and i would imagine there will be some public ski tests with some brands coming up too
of the skis you mention i would go the pure joy or the volkl, others to consider would the the atomic cloud 9 /cloud 11 or the rossignol Nova series, every brand makes something in this category it is just a case of trying to find the one that works for you , its like the driving postion in a car or even the fit of a pair of jeans, some just fit and some don't
sorry to pour some confusion on the search, but so many people will have an opinion on a specific model that worked for them, the point being they are not YOU
good luck in the quest |
This ^ 100% !
Another suggestion is book a cheeky try a ski weekend! Several of the Austrian glacier resorts (notably Kaprun, Sölden, and Hintertux) do free ski try sessions very early season. They normally get a few manufacturer stands. Give them your passport or driving licence, leave your rentals with them, then ski for an hour or maybe two on a demo set. Rinse and repeat! If you find a pair you like you may be able to get a discount too! (They tend to have only a restricted selection of the most popular lengths - so I've not been able to use, but been with others who have.)
I broke my previous skis. I bought my current pair after finding a pair whilst trying different hire skis.
This gives another option - some ski hire shops let you try different pairs as part of a hire package, and will offer a discount or refund your rental if you buy after trying.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| BigJin wrote: |
This gives another option - some ski hire shops let you try different pairs as part of a hire package, and will offer a discount or refund your rental if you buy after trying. |
Do be careful though, this is only a good approach if they're specifically demo skis, usually only available in the higher-end packages. A lot of standard rental skis are made for that market and are not guaranteed to feel the same as the retail version.
But yes, this is the way to do it, IMO, once you've narrowed down your selection, checking in advance that they have the skis you want to try. One of the advantages is that you'll be skiing each one for a whole day in similar conditions (assuming reasonably consistent weather) over the course of several days. Doing the same runs on different skis can highlight things that you might not notice on their own.
I recall doing exactly that 20+ years ago in Val Thorens. I really wanted to demo the then new Bandit 2X (not the later B2, completely different ski). They were out for a couple of days so I tried at least two other skis in the same market as well as my old worn-out X-Scream Series. Half way through the week, with icy conditions, particularly one section crossing over Mottaret, I'd concluded that maybe I wouldn't bother replacing them, but then the Bandits came available and on that day I recall commenting to me wife and friends how much better the conditions were on that section. They all looked at me and said no, they were exactly the same as the previous day, possibly worse. Case proven, skis bought. I did love those skis 
They gave a complete refund of the 3 days demo fee against the new skis, which was pretty much the norm.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| BigJin wrote: |
| CEM wrote: |
@DrSJF16, best thing you can do is try some of your shortlist if possible, everyone likes different things when it comes to skis, each brand has its own characteristics, sometimes it is simply the binding has a different delta between two brands which can make a ski feel good great or indeed terrible, in the coming months the shops at the snow centers normally have a demo pool with a few options that you can try and i would imagine there will be some public ski tests with some brands coming up too
of the skis you mention i would go the pure joy or the volkl, others to consider would the the atomic cloud 9 /cloud 11 or the rossignol Nova series, every brand makes something in this category it is just a case of trying to find the one that works for you , its like the driving postion in a car or even the fit of a pair of jeans, some just fit and some don't
sorry to pour some confusion on the search, but so many people will have an opinion on a specific model that worked for them, the point being they are not YOU
good luck in the quest |
This ^ 100% !
Another suggestion is book a cheeky try a ski weekend! Several of the Austrian glacier resorts (notably Kaprun, Sölden, and Hintertux) do free ski try sessions very early season. They normally get a few manufacturer stands. Give them your passport or driving licence, leave your rentals with them, then ski for an hour or maybe two on a demo set. Rinse and repeat! If you find a pair you like you may be able to get a discount too! (They tend to have only a restricted selection of the most popular lengths - so I've not been able to use, but been with others who have.)
I broke my previous skis. I bought my current pair after finding a pair whilst trying different hire skis.
This gives another option - some ski hire shops let you try different pairs as part of a hire package, and will offer a discount or refund your rental if you buy after trying. |
Or better still - Zermatt ski test. There are packages for a fixed price that include accom+ski pass + access to 100’s of new skis available for test. And you get to visiti/ski Zermatt on a budget
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