 Poster: A snowHead
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I know it’s personal but just trying to get advice.
In 2010 I tore my ACL and meniscus and was sledded off the slope. Had an op to clean it out. But no reconstruction, it’s always been a little loose but was worse post fall. I started skiing again in 2013 and have used a hinged Meuller HG80. All good and my skiing has improved although age has changed the way we ski now.
In 2023 wearing the brace I slipped and fell and re twanged it (despite the brace). No operation. Just was told it was pretty floppy and also the lateral ligament is now damaged.
Mainly it’s ok but the odd time when hiking it just gives way, or if I twist at dancing (dancing is not great!!) so I thought for 2024 maybe a better more robust brace.
The donjoy brand has so many options and cost from £100-400.
Any suggestions? There’s a ‘playmaker’ series that is midrange. But do I just get the armour and live with the cost?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Lucywuk, what training are you doing to make sure you leg muscles can do the job your ACL should be doing? I would advocate making sure you build up your leg muscles
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@NickyJ, +1
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| NickyJ wrote: |
| @Lucywuk, what training are you doing to make sure you leg muscles can do the job your ACL should be doing? I would advocate making sure you build up your leg muscles |
I am a runner, so quite a lot of strength work.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Thats good ad most important part.
I am in the gym 5 -6 times a week, now I can't play hockey. I damaged my reconstruction while playing (curse the training sessions where they said, lets have a knock about this evening!). I am leg pressing 1.5 times my body on each leg individually, and the Mueller Hg80 is doing me proud. Alongside that doing pilates once a week.
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@Lucywuk, If you are giving way then i'm afraid you need to consider reconstruction before you tear your meniscii. Sorry to give that news. Jonathan Bell
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| Jonathan Bell wrote: |
| @Lucywuk, If you are giving way then i'm afraid you need to consider reconstruction before you tear your meniscii. Sorry to give that news. Jonathan Bell |
Appreciate this. I know I tore the meniscus in 2010 and have have a lot of it removed. Since then it was fine and as strong as ever (stronger as I ran marathons etc). Since Jan 2023 it has only given way when it’s been twisted eg dancing or downhill hiking. I have continued to run and completed a marathon since.
I am hoping that skiing sensibly (blue cruising) and a brace should be enough. Any thoughts on the best brace to try?? I know you are a specialist in this area (sorry google!) as I have been googling and reading so many articles, I wanted some first hand experience.
I have a sports therapist appointment next week (someone who has looked after me for years) and hopefully will have various braces to try with him checking over movement etc.
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I don't believe a brace will stop the rotational movements that tear ACLs. I tore my LCL doing another sport and purchased myself an expensive brace as I had a ski holiday coming up and didn't want to miss it.
When fitted, the brace offered some protection against unwanted lateral movement, but in my view would do next to nothing to stop unwanted rotation of the knee joint. How could it, unless it was drilled through (and anchored to) the bones of your leg either side of the joint? Even if it was done up tight enough to cut off the blood flow, the internal parts of your leg could still move inside your skin.
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Greengriff. That is true. But i think it protects against lateral movement and I have a tear in my lateral ligament as well as the ACL. And also adds support if the knee gives way. It maybe a placebo but as you know skiing can be about confidence too. And knowing it’s there may help
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@Lucywuk, Yes absolutely agree re. the placebo effect. Although the flip side is it might give a false sense of security!
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@Lucywuk, If @Jonathan Bell says "you need to consider reconstruction before you tear your meniscii" then I would take that advice very seriously
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @Lucywuk, If @Jonathan Bell says "you need to consider reconstruction before you tear your meniscii" then I would take that advice very seriously |
I know. I have been trying to decide whether to reconstruct or not. The ‘giving way’ is very rare and doesn’t impact on my daily life. It’s happened on specific occasions and I know the reasons. I can therefore avoid ‘doing the twist’ wearing stupid high heels and walking down mountains without walking poles. The MRI was borderline to whether to reconstruct and if it doesn’t impact day to day, it was possibly not worth doing.
This is the first skiing holiday since the 2nd fall, and bearing in mind I’ve skied 10/11 times since the first more damaging one. Down grading to easier runs and taking it easy hopefully will be enough
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| Lucywuk wrote: |
| holidayloverxx wrote: |
| @Lucywuk, If @Jonathan Bell says "you need to consider reconstruction before you tear your meniscii" then I would take that advice very seriously |
I know. I have been trying to decide whether to reconstruct or not. The ‘giving way’ is very rare and doesn’t impact on my daily life. It’s happened on specific occasions and I know the reasons. I can therefore avoid ‘doing the twist’ wearing stupid high heels and walking down mountains without walking poles. The MRI was borderline to whether to reconstruct and if it doesn’t impact day to day, it was possibly not worth doing.
This is the first skiing holiday since the 2nd fall, and bearing in mind I’ve skied 10/11 times since the first more damaging one. Down grading to easier runs and taking it easy hopefully will be enough |
I had a friend who held of for a good number of years from reconstructing. He was a skier and hockey player like me. After finally get his reconstruction he found both much easier and didn't hesitate in recommending I got ahead with the recon. I now have half that reconstructoon left and in maintenance mode. I have given up hockey which was heartbreaking but I couldn't put family through the months of being utterly useless and non-weight bearing.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Lucywuk, Jonathan is a VERY well regarded UK soft-tissue knee surgeon. He knows what he’s saying…
Edits: spelling.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| KNoceros wrote: |
@Lucywuk, Jonathan is a VERY well regarded UK soft-tissue knee surgeon. He knows what he’s saying…
Edits: spelling. |
I know. I have googled and read all about him. However I’m sure he would agree every injury is different, I can only comment on my MRI and what I have seen and been advised.
In 12 months it’s given way 3 times. Twice when hiking down a steep hill, and a rocky path. Once when dancing (slightly drunk) it didn’t hurt and I finished a 10 mile hike and sat down to drink!!
Reconstructive surgery is absolutely an option, and it is being considered, but if I can ski comfortably and run marathons without it, it may not be the only option.
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