 Poster: A snowHead
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Is carving the fall line a oxymoron?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| skiingfool wrote: |
| Is carving the fall line a oxymoron? |
No, but it might be an oxymoron. 
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slikedges, very good. Why is it not an oxymoron?
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The fall line is the line of maximum gradient down a slope; the carved line is a set of curves defined by the shape of the ski and how it is applied to the slope (?) - my guess is you'd need to get real lucky for the two to line up.
If you image a perfectly inclined plane then the fall line is a straight line going straight down the slope. Can you carve in a straight line?
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Is slikedges, a poxy moron?
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Hoppo, surely at one point in the average carved turn you will be in the fall line - where the tangent of the carved arc/hyperbola coincides with the fall line.
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Wear The Fox Hat, you'd only be carving the fall line momentarily...
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or even infinitesimally......
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Hoppo, Yoda, yes, that's why I used the word "point" - it will just be for an infinitesimally small period of time.
...unless the fall line happens to be curved, rather than straight, then you might be able to carve it for a longer period. Remember, the fall line is rarely straight on a natural hill.
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Sage, not necessarily "across" - it depends on the direction - you say that you don't carve it length wise, but that's just because of how you do it.
It's not the law that you MUST carve it across - for a good example, watch a chef fillet a fish - the knife goes ALONG the length of the fish, not across it.
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Wear The Fox Hat, you could construct a slope whose fall line matched the carve line of your skis
Sage, if you were always to ski perpendicular to the fall line then you would end up going round and around the mountain 
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Floppy the Snotman, Oi! 'Tis better than being a Sloppy Snotman. 
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You know it makes sense.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Strictly speaking, the only way of skiing the fall-line is to point your skis in that direction, whether that line is straight (on a flat even slope) or curved (on a slope of varying aspect and gradient). As Wear The Fox Hat sez you can carve it on a ski with a sidecut if the line is equivalently curved but otherwise you'd have to have no sidecut and be balancing on edge, or flat on your skis to go in a straight line.
However when people say "ski the fall-line" they don't mean you're in the fall-line all the time, but that you (or your upper body at any rate) do not deviate much from the fall-line. This is certainly possible to do by carving, within a narrow corridor, medium radius turns that are arcs of smallish segments of a circle. These would be different from short radius (very curvy or tight) turns which would be much more difficult to properly carve.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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slikedges, Yes or No?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| slikedges wrote: |
However when people say "ski the fall-line" they don't mean you're in the fall-line all the time, but that you (or your upper body at any rate) do not deviate much from the fall-line. This is certainly possible to do by carving, within a narrow corridor, medium radius turns that are arcs of smallish segments of a circle. These would be different from short radius (very curvy or tight) turns which would be much more difficult to properly carve. |
Well said. It's a simple term to mean not traversing between turns. ie: doing linked turns of relatively short radius. Shorter turns are much harder to do while still carving, but not impossible. skiing the fall line has never meant Kramering!
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"Let me sleep on it
Baby, baby let me sleep on it
Let me sleep on it
And I'll give you my answer in the morning"
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Floppy the Snotman, Another large man!  Longer hair though
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Yoda, never.
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Yoda, don't let the guys in the US hear that - I seem to remember there was a bit of a debate on here a while back regarding traversing!
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Michelle, well 901 is early middle age I guess
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Surely traversing is a useful skill in it's own right?
What's a skier to do when they realise they've snookered themselves down a wrong turn and need to get across to the other side of the piste to get out of trouble?
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FenlandSkier, yes, I agree with easiski - and sometimes off-piste all you can do is traverse - kick-turn - traverse (unless you can Kramer couloirs of course )
But not to be taught it would seem....
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Yoda, FenlandSkier: If it makes my life easier - and it's safe - I'd like to know how to do these 'outdated' things! Unless those that that snub them have a better way, of course 
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If traverse is a dirty word these days I think I'll say it as much as I can this season.
I hate Fashion
Incidentally has anyone noticed BBC2 are replaying This Life? Surely not a fashionable thing to do for the BBC to repeat something originially broadcast in the 90's! I was amazed!
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skiben, it's been responsible for me not getting to bed before 1am for over a week...... 
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FenlandSkier, traversing is definitely a useful skill, but it shouldn't be used for "shopping" for a turn as is so often the case. It bleeds all energy out of the previous turns into the ether and you have to start from zero, again. Much more efficient to take one turn into the next.. But, not a "right" v "wrong" kind of thing...
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Poster: A snowHead
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| skiingfool wrote: |
| Is carving the fall line a oxymoron? |
Depends on the definitions. I think it's possible (although a very high-level skill) to carve in such a manner that one's "core" follows the fall line. I think for all practical purposes, this statement means to stay very close to the fall line with the body and use the skis edges for turning. Furthermore, I think the phrase is very imprecise.
FWIW (from across the pond)... 
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Yoda, I'm so glad I'm no longer a member of BASI (I presume it's them!). Let's not start this debate again. Very important skill, it's the best and easiest way to teach balance and edging skills, and the poor beginner or novice has to have some way to get around bits that are too steep for them to link turns! I wonder what the Austrians say? they've always based their whole system on the traverse position!
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skiben, Its being repeated because they are doing a this life special or new series bringing things up to date New series 10 years on
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