 Poster: A snowHead
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dg3, thanks for the info, interesting to hear the oldest to pass was 46. im 44 and fitness is okay but nowhere near my late 20's or early 30's. I guess for me it is one step at a time and hopefully by the end of this year i will have a BASI 3 and can start to work on race training and running gates...then who knows
Have you done the test technique? if so how did you find passing that?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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dg3, for all driving instructors to be able to get round a racetrack within 15% of the time of a F1 team or test driver would probably teach them a lot about all aspects of driving and motor vehicles most wouldn't know - this is arguably a positive thing for their experience and knowledge. However it obviously isn't necessary, may arguably have negative influences on their expectations of clients/outlook on instructing/outlook on driving, and is probably in balance an undesirable waste of everyone's time and resources. It may however be argued that timing them over a set course would be a valid and desirable objective test of their driving skill and I couldn't disagree. Just so long as it was set at a level that any normally fit person could achieve - by which I mean any current professional who has previously achieved that level could achieve it again with a little refreshing and training.
I know it's not a perfect analogy due to the different performance emphases but I think it's close enough. Anyway, you have to play by the current rules of the game so best of luck with the Eurotest. 
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slikedges, i think the driving instructor analogy gets trotted out and is flawed. when you learn to drive you dont follow another car around absorbing visual clues about balance posture and reaction to changing conditions.
I think skiing is more like golf or tennis instruction and that effective demonstration is hugely important, the better you can ski the better you able to demonstrate correct technique.
A BASI trainer i learned from had the best plough turns i have seen because he worked at it and had good basic technique.
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skimottaret, of course skiing instruction is more like instruction of an individual performance sport - that's what it is! However to use an analogy that isn't an individual performance sport may help some people think about it more easily. Like I said it's not a perfect analogy - there's no such thing - but I think it's sufficiently fit for purpose. Anyway with golf and tennis, most people are instructed by professionals whose standard may be fairly easily equalled by many non-professionals.
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slikedges, not sure that's true for golf. yes, you can be an assistant pro for a while without being all that good (still miles better than me...), but there are quite tough requirements for becoming a PGA pro and I know of a few reasonably talented players who haven't made it
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slikedges, Arno, I agree with you both that you dont have to be a world class superstar to teach beginners but like a club pro in golf (who needs to be 4 handicap or better which isnt that easy a standard to get and takes some dedication)
Sorry but ive read too many people using the driving instructor F1 analogy and im not sure it compares well with ski instructing, that was all i meant 
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dg3, how much time on slope would you recon you had since 04? did you do seasons? wow 22 weeks race training sounds like a huge committment, good luck with it
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dg3, Sounds to me as though you're doing exceptionally well - I'm not joining in this debate again - too boring, been done too many times. 
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skimottaret, I think it's a pretty good analogy because the point is that such a standard as is required by the Eurotest is imho unnecessary except as a form of protectionism. In learning advanced driving 1) you mimic the instructor's movements, body position, timing etc, just not moments later 2) you also get direct on the second input as to what you should be doing right at that instant 3) to touch on dg3's point, the controls respond directly to the psychological/emotional/physical vagaries of magnitude and timing of the driver's body subject to the car's chassis characteristics and suspension set-up. I'm also not convinced even pretty advanced skiers will learn much from the difference between an ISTD and an ISIAs stance/reaction especially on a split second glance while concentrating on their own skiing.
Like I said before: nothing wrong with an objective test of skill - probably the only truly objective way of testing - just I think it should be
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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skimottaret, Go for it - and if you ever need someone to bounce a Eurotest query off - PM me, I'll try and help or give you a contact who will....get those edges sharpened 
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You know it makes sense.
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dg3, Thanks for the offer, I have never run a gate in my life so this thread has really got me thinking, if i do manage to pass this spring some serious gate training is in my future. The Test Technique might just be next years personal challenge... 
I have bought all the edge tuning gear from spyderjon and am looking forward to learning how to do me edges correctly.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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- this season I've done a wk training in nov on glcier - a wk coming up in feb, 4 days in march, then race at end of season - not nearly enough but all I can afford - financially and time. - I reckon I'll be lucky if I pass by 2009 
