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Hi,
I have a very simple idea, basically it is a product every skier would consider purchasing, it is very cheap to manufacture and distribute. It has 2 main serious uses but also has souvenir potential. It is also a damn good product!
I am looking for a partner who has experience in product distribution to ski stores initially european but the idea can easily be replicated stateside.
The risk for the business idea is very low as manufacturing samples is cheap and this will be enough to secure pre orders. The major problem is that the idea although innovative is hard to protect and easily copied. Luckily though there is 1 part to the idea which can be protected either through new design or via licensing.
If anyone is interested please post or send me a pm. I am based in London and would liek to try and get this product out for the start of the European ski season and so time is of the essence!
Richard
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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boredsurfin, how do u actually get 19,000 posts!
No not the fabled ski sling. I really should have started thinking about this in August rather than 2 months before the resorts open. Do you think the resorts would take offence to salesman hanging around lifts trying to flog you warez!!!!!
R
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Anyway it is a serious proposition if anyone is interested!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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plectrum,
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Do you think the resorts would take offence to salesman hanging around lifts trying to flog you warez!!!!!
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That's how the Guys who founded The White stuff shops started out!
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boredsurfin, Different kind of "White Stuff" i feel. 
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plectrum,
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Do you think the resorts would take offence to salesman hanging around lifts trying to flog you warez!!!!!
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That's how the Guys who founded The White stuff shops started out! |
And the Fat Face crew
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plectrum, maybe a hint as to what the product is may rouse more interest
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plectrum, is it another mojo? 
Cheap to manufacture is one thing but, in my experience, distribution and paying for the sales effort is never cheap.
Can you eat it? How about a game of 20 questions.
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... also selling off the back of a sample range doesn't work for cheap "impulse buy" products. The retailer will want it now, now, now if they like it. The sunglass sellers drive around in fully stocked vans with POS etc.
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plectrum, are you Nigerian? 
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plectrum, have sent you a PM
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bh1, funny you should say that as I'm the sole recipient of a US$25,000,000,000 windfall. Thing is I need someone to stup up the £50k legal fee first. If you do that for me I'll split the money with you. Now then, the account to send the money to is.... best if I pm you, this is too special an opportunity.
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You know it makes sense.
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Bode Swiller, thank you blessed friend.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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bh1, all you need to do is call this number and every thing is guarenteed - just call +234, 987, 1468 8531
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Poster: A snowHead
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Dragons Den perhaps???
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm out ...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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hi guys,
No i am not a conman - I do not need money here as firstly I have access to investors but secondly in all good business ideas money is the least imporant factor. What would make this fly is a guy/girl who has direct experience in selling products to the ski equipment stores and other ski based stores in alpine regions.
I'm glad that Whitestuff and Fat face started this way as maybe I could hoodwink all the reps in resorts to work on comission, the product would certainly fly at the base lifts and would be cheap enough to be bought for a few euros.
Richard
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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plectrum, The clothing guys gave a lot of stuff away in resorts to generate interest, we have two original sweatshirts that we were given on the proviso we would wear them around the resort
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well anyway as said if anyone reads this and has direct access to the purchasing directors at the major european ski stores then contact me and we can get rich!!!!
I know it isn't particularly hard to set up a meeting myself-intersport's HQ's number is easily accessible, it is just that quick secured deals often occur when a relationship has already been developed.
boredsurfin, seriously thanks for the advice here, it is a higher risk actively selling the product myself as it mean i need to outlay gross manufacturing costs but obviously the profit margin increases.
hmm on thinking about it, although it is quite a common already available idea there may be some protectable innovation ... I need to set up a meeting with a business advisor or call the government!!! If the idea takes off I may actually hit that PayPal DONATE button at the bottom of the page
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plectrum, all sound very intriguing this. If it is a goer or you think that it really could be I would be looking into Intellectual Property (IP) rights before letting people know what it is. Seen a lot of good ideas that have come up in businesses and people who think of a good idea and don't protect it. Hate to ruin a nice positive post but have a look at it... 
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plectrum, think you'll find that the likes of Intersport completed their winter buying 4 months ago. They'll think you're approaching them about season 08/09. Without knowing what the product is, it sounds like you'll have to approach individual stores and merchandise them there and then. Then you'll have a nice wait of 3 months or so to get your money. That's if you're lucky... as a new, late-to-the-market product with no track record, they'll demand sale or return terms. Even without knowing what it is it's too risky, it's uninvestable. I'm out.
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Bode Swiller,
I would expect that winter buying at major chains has all but been completed but this is a simple on counter product rather than a new range of helmets etc. Saying that i understand that - it may be better to just market direct thru resort reps and then for 08/09 take the sales figures to the major shops and distributors as a good reason to buy the product.
MrDan,
I know it just depends whether my product is actually innovative enough to be protected. I am not sure it is not as if i have come up with anything new, it is just the way i am using it.
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| plectrum, think you'll find that the likes of Intersport completed their winter buying 4 months ago. They'll think you're approaching them about season 08/09. Without knowing what the product is, it sounds like you'll have to approach individual stores and merchandise them there and then. Then you'll have a nice wait of 3 months or so to get your money. That's if you're lucky... as a new, late-to-the-market product with no track record, they'll demand sale or return terms. Even without knowing what it is too risky, it's uninvestable. I'm out. |
Sure but OTOH I'd focus on getting a short production run made then try flogging it to punters & shops in a limited number of resorts. For the initial investment of the production run plus a couple of weeks in the mountains (what tragedy) you'll know very quickly whether the idea has any legs or not...plus whehter the price point is bearable..
as they say on DD - what's sales have you achieved? - I'd imagine you can sell more easily into the big chains back home if your initial production run sold out in 2 days say..oh any my sister knows one of the key S&R guys...
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bertie bassett,
Yes I agree with both you and Bode Swiller, it would greatly aid big distribution deals if I had some sales under my belt. Also heh why a couple a weeks, I could take a small team for a couple of weeks in each resort for the whole season, and as it is a product that could be sold on the pistes at lifts nothing would stop us skiing aswell!!!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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plectrum, is this something that could be personalised and left as a low cost 'gift' for my guests?
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You know it makes sense.
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Helen Beaumont, Indeed it is  there are much broader sponsorship and advertising potential to the product though. Also on checking the European Patent Office, no one has thought of my idea yet. I need to speak with a business advisor tomorrow morning!
I think personalised in terms of thank you for staying at Chalet Chamoissiere is plausible rather than Dear Gary / Bob or Claire!
Thanks for all the advice all.
R
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plectrum,
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is this something that could be personalised and left as a low cost 'gift' for my guests?
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things are looking up. Big buying signal there... and we still don't know what it is... it must be good... I'll take 6.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Bode Swiller, woot the greatest product ever, sold to millions before anyone knows what it is. It turns out that I was selling snowballs or something
Rofl
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm now confused (he said in a Peter Jones kind of way). You said
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although it is quite a common already available idea
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on checking the European Patent Office, no one has thought of my idea yet.
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I'm out.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Bode Swiller,
Well actually Bode, the fact that no-one has protected the idea means you should be still interested as if the idea was protected then i'm stuck! By the way what exactly do you do Bode?
To explain the constituent parts of my idea are commonly available, to join each part in making my idea is novel and so far unprotected and as far as im aware currently not done/manufactured/sold.
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plectrum, if it's commonly available then I'd guess someone did think of it before you... and that's protection in itself. If there's someone else's IP included in your product (protected by paperwork or not) you have a potential show stopper. Best take professional advice.
I can't tell you what I do... it's a secret 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| plectrum wrote: |
Hi,
I have a very simple idea, basically it is a product every skier would consider purchasing, it is very cheap to manufacture and distribute. It has 2 main serious uses but also has souvenir potential. It is also a damn good product!
I am looking for a partner who has experience in product distribution to ski stores initially european but the idea can easily be replicated stateside.
The risk for the business idea is very low as manufacturing samples is cheap and this will be enough to secure pre orders. The major problem is that the idea although innovative is hard to protect and easily copied. Luckily though there is 1 part to the idea which can be protected either through new design or via licensing.
If anyone is interested please post or send me a pm. I am based in London and would liek to try and get this product out for the start of the European ski season and so time is of the essence!
Richard |
Get the design or idea copyrighted and trademarked asap.
Never share anything with anyone, including potential partners, until it is legally protected.
Wherever possible, make some or all of the idea legally uncopyable,
But this will take time and money.
You might do better to wait until next season rather than rushing into the current one.
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Bode Swiller, I have just spoken to a friend who is a partner at law firm and I will speak with their Intellectual Property team tomorrow. This will be cool if it works.
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Bode Swiller,
To explain the constituent parts of my idea are commonly available, to join each part in making my idea is novel and so far unprotected and as far as im aware currently not done/manufactured/sold. |
If this is the case, you may struggle to get your product patented in the UK or US. Such 'incremental innovation' often fails to get protected.
If you can't patent it, then you are best off trademarking a catchy brandname for it.
Good luck.
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damn there is a guy in the states who does what i wanna do!
moment of grandure over.
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the constituent parts of my idea are commonly available, to join each part in making my idea is novel
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So, two commonly available items joined together to make the mystery product. Could it be a neck warming lip salve? A Toblerone lift pass holder? A kendal mint cake goggle scraper? A ski sling bandana?
plectrum, I wish you luck. Go have a good ski anyway.
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moment of grandure over
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Cancel the Ferrari.
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